Inspired by a recent comment, I thought I'd address the whole thorny issue of joint bank accounts between sweeties. I cannot count the number of times I've seen trite posts in my feed aggregator saying extremely stupid things like "what's the point of getting married if you aren't going to share finances?" Yes, I would snicker to myself, what could possibly be the point of entering into a culturally, personally, and religiously significant union with another person if not to administratively add that person's name to all my financial accounts? After all, isn't the real proof of true love... paperwork?
The truth is, there are some real pros, as well as some serious cons, to using joint accounts with your partner. And while I think it's always wise to be cautious before deciding to combine accounts, this does not in fact cut the other way: people who have kept their accounts separate have not necessarily done so because they are cautious about the relationship. Anyone who thinks otherwise deserves to be laughed at.
So that's my disclaimer.
OK, so. First of all, what is a joint account? It's a checking or savings account with two people's names on the account. Both people are allowed to make deposits or withdrawals just as they could with their own, individually owned account. You don't have to be married, or living together, or dating, or really have any relationship of any kind in order to qualify for a joint account (I still have one with $25 in it with my dad at his credit union, just for old times sake, and because they have great rates for members should I ever need a car loan). You just have to fill out the right paperwork together with the bank. Obvious enough, yes?
But one fun fact that is less widely known about joint accounts is that so far as the bank is concerned, either person is 100% entitled to 100% of the money in the joint account at any given time. The bank doesn't care who earned the money, or who deposited it, or what sort of understanding the two accountholders had between themselves about who controlled what portion of the assets. The bank certainly doesn't consider the assets subject to a 50/50 split. This means that so far as the bank is concerned, either person could walk into a branch and clean the whole thing out, no signature or pre-approval from the other person needed. Have you been following the latest C-list celebrity gossip, in which Jon Gosselin (he of Jon & Kate Plus 8 infamy) has allegedly cleaned out the joint account for household expenses that he has with his wife Kate, presumably to buy some more manboy clothing or swag for his new girlfriend? Again, so far as the bank is concerned,* that was totally fine by them.
From this, we can take several lessons. One, don't marry a douchebag. Two, never keep joint accounts with someone who is not extremely trustworthy and responsible. Because you can get really, really burned.
But we're in love! you say. Well, so you are. But even so, should you merge all your accounts? Depends on the circumstances, and on your personalities.
Pros
1) Having simultaneous access to the same funds can make paying joint bills really easy. There's no cutting someone else a check for half the rent every month, or any of that "I'll take the phone bill, you take the electric bill" which seems like such a good idea until your running the AC every day and then whoever is paying for electric starts to feel like she's getting stiffed. Both people can put money in, and both people can send the money out.
2) There's transparency. Both people can see where all the money in the account is coming from, and where it is all going. This is really nice for control freaks such as myself, as well as people who feel like hey need to check up on their partner. Actually, this is something that always makes me chuckle when people say that keeping separate accounts is a sign of distrust between partners. Oh yeah? Well, how much trust can there be if you have to be able to see where all her money is going? Snarky, yes. But snark is not given, it is earned.
3) If one of you gets hit by a bus, the other one can make sure the bills are still getting paid. The same thing can be achieved by having a Power of Attorney naming your sweetie as your agent, but there will be a little less hassle involved if the accounts are all joint because you won't have to trot down to a local branch during business hours and stand in line to wave your PoA around.
4) You feel like a team. This one may or may not hold true for you. Obviously it holds sway for some people, hence all the self-righteous my-way-or-the-highway blog posts I've seen. Personally, I feel a greater sense of teamwork after an afternoon of shared yard work with Shiner, but to each her own. If you get a warm fuzzy feeling from thinking about joint accounts, that's a worthwhile feeling to listen to.
Cons
1) Inertia. You probably each had bank accounts before you met one another, and you know what they say about what to do if it ain't broke. Merging them requires a trip to the bank, which is such a waste of a Saturday morning.
2) Don't merge accounts if one of your has had problems with identity theft or collections agencies. Because the bank considers all assets in the joint account owned 100% by each of you, that means an identity thief or creditor trying to garnish your account can get access to much more money if you pool your assets in a joint account.
3) If you're not on the same page and don't keep a healthy cushion in the account, it's not that hard to accidentally overdraw your account.
4) There's no secrecy with a joint account. No secrets means no surprises when you open your birthday present. If you subscribe to the method of budgeting where each person gets some amount of no-strings-attached mad money, it means I have to confess the outlandish amount of money I spent on yarn last week, or pretend not to think it's a bit silly when I see how much Shiner has spent on brewing ingredients this month. That's not the kind of transparency that would be useful in my relationship.
5) You feel a sense of independence. Maybe. If that's the way your personality skews.
6) See worst-case Jon Gosselin scenario, above.
How to Strike a Balance
Oh, hell if I know. I can tell you what we've done, which is a classic Third Path scenario, and one that is still somewhat in flux as we approach nearly a year of being married.
We opened our first joint account the same month he moved in. We already banked at the same place, so having a joint checking account there meant we could transfer money to and from our sole accounts in a matter of seconds. Every month when we did bills, we'd each transfer in 50% of our gas, electric, cable/internet, water and trash bills, and all those bills would be paid from the joint account. He'd transfer in another $500 in lieu of rent, which I'd pull out into my sole account and put toward my home equity loan. Over the years as we've become more entwined we've added more bills to our list of joint expenses: phone, Netflix, car insurance, and certain one-time expenses like a couch and a chest freezer. All our other expenses (even things like groceries and going out, which are every bit the joint expenses that our electric bills is) are put on our individual credit cards for rewards and paid of from our sole accounts. If we end up taking out life insurance in addition to what we have through our jobs, it will come out of here, too. That's the inertia talking.
We now also have a joint savings account, but because he was paying off debt and is now catching up on his Roth IRA contributions for the year, I've been the only only one contributing, though by the end of the year that will change. I didn't add him until after the wedding, though. Geez, I wanted to save something for the wedding night.
But we each still have our sole checking accounts, he has his sole savings account (mostly for major beer-related purchases) and I have all the same savings accounts I had before we got married. We've only added his name to one of the three of them. He's named on my Power of Attorney, so he could get at any of the money if he needed to, but for now he doesn't need to get at the money I'm saving toward a new suit (what the remnant of my first emergency fund has become), and to be perfectly honest it took him paying off the rest of his credit card debt and me sitting with the idea for seven or eight months before I started re-thinking the way I look at my Single Gal Savings Account--money I saved while I was single, and to be used as a lifesaver should I find myself single again. After all, nobody gets married thinking they're going to get divorced, and a good portion of the optimists are wrong. But now I mostly think of that account like my retirement accounts--Money To Be Ignored For The Present. I guess in a pinch it would be a second emergency fund, but mostly I like to forget that it's there. In my ideal world, we'd both have savings accounts like this, but because he spent himself way down to pay of his debt faster, he doesn't.
I am a big fan of the Yours-Mine-Ours scenario. It's worked well for us. It's been very flexible as we decide that certain expenses should now be considered joint, while still giving each of us a lot of independence in prioritizing our own peculiar wants. We've gradually drifted more and more toward a shared scenario, which is fine--figuring out what works is a process, and we'll probably have to keep reevaluating it as our lives change--jobs, kids, whatnot. I like it because it hasn't been so rigidly all-or-nothing. We get the good parts of shared accounts and the good parts of separate ones. The important thing, obviously, is that we've come to a point where we're both on the same page.
* I keep saying "so far as the bank is concerned" because if Jon Gosselin gets in trouble, it will be on the family law side of things, not the banking law end. Since they were legally married in Pennsylvania and had legally separated, the court had ordered them not to make any unusual withdrawals from the joint accounts. But if they hadn't been married, or if their marriage wasn't recognized in Pennsylvania, or if they hadn't been in the process of divorcing such that the court had stepped in with additional protections, him (allegedly) wiping out their account would be just fine and dandy.
10.12.2009
To Merge Or Not To Merge
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I recently learned the hard way that it's not always a good thing for all parties to be 100% entitled to the money in an account, even when everyone involved is trustworthy. I have an account I share with two other people, one of whom is self-employed and owes some back taxes to the state. Recently the state department of taxation contacted the bank and removed all the money from every account with that person's name on it--including our joint account we use for making mortgage payments. Ack! The person was able to get some of the money returned eventually, but it took a lot of paperwork (we had to prove whose paycheck each deposit had come from) and has still left all three of us worse off financially than we were before. (We were one payment ahead on the mortgage, now we've lost that cushion.)
Commenting anonymously because of the financial details I'm giving here.
When my partner and I moved in together, waaaaay back in spring of 2006, we kept everything separate because we had no idea what we were doing with money. Our landlord let us pay rent with two checks, so we each paid our respective amounts out of our own accounts, and very much did the "you take electric I'll take cable thing."
Then we got serious about knowing what we were doing with our money. We read Suze Orman's Money Book for the Young, Fabulous and Broke (all of which we were!) and decided it would be better to open a joint account for joint expenses. We also started divvying up the amount each of us put into the joint account according to the ratio of income we both had. In the meantime, we kept our own separate accounts for our own expenses (student loans, credit card bills, random fun things we wanted but weren't a joint endeavor).
We got married a little over a year ago and still have the same system. The ratios have changed since he's going to grad school fulltime and I'm the primary wage-earner, but the idea is the same. Some of our married friends think it's so weird that we don't just dump all our money in one account, but this way works much better for us. We've done it for so long and it's worked beautifully, with very few kinks along the way. I like maintaining my independence and not knowing what he bought me for Christmas (a perpetual complaint among same married friends).
I love rule number one: "Don't marry a douchebag."
Also, as feminists, we do need to recognize that a man is not a retirement plan, and be sure to have something set aside that is ours, and ours alone. My parents worked out a yours-mine-ours scenario forty years ago, after two years of arguing about money non-stop. Their contributions to "ours" varied according to their incomes, which I think is essential given women earn 78 cents on the male dollar. In my parents' case, my mother frequently worked part-time in order to spend more time parenting. I think this concept gets more complicated when one parent is the full-time, unpaid caregiver. It becomes very, very easy for the money-earning partner - who after all, is nearly always the man - to get territorial and controlling about how "his" money is spent.
Given the income inequalities inherent in a hetero marriage, I would suggest that each partner contribute an equal *percentage* of their income to the "ours" fund, in an amount sufficient to cover expenses.
just feel the need to point out that
a POA is not identical to having a joint account: when you die, any POAs you have issued expire.
someone who is not joint on the account does not have access to the account until probating the will.
Liza
We do the "yours mine ours" thing slightly differently due to differences in money spending personalities. I pay a few of the bills, and then save the rest of my paychecks, my partner then pays the rest of the bills and pays for everything else that we buy each month, groceries, birthday presents for non-us people, beers at the bar, I never pay unless there's some extenuating circumstance. I realized that my partner will somehow manage to spend almost all of his paycheque every month, I on the other hand, will save almost everything. By shifting the amount of money that he has that isn't committed to a bill, he has managed to stop spending so much, and we save almost my entire paycheque. All of our accounts are joint in theory but not in practice, ie. both of our names are on the accounts, but he doesn't have a debit card for mine and I don't for his, basically we have them for depositing tax cheques and cheques with both of our names on them.
I moved in with my boyfriend about 3 months ago, and we opened a joint account within a couple weeks. We do the yours-mine-ours the way Jezebella describes it - he pays for 62% of joint expenses, I pay for 38%, in proportion with our joint paychecks. We decided to calculate the % on our net income, and in my case my net income after direct deductions are made for student loans (the lucky bastard doesn't have ANY debt after just finishing a PhD!).
What actual $ this amounts to has been revisited twice already, as we get used to a joint budget (less in staple groceries, more in fancy cheese) but the baseline remains what *I* can afford (and how much of my paycheck I want to save) since my income is much more limiting than his. He also paid upfront for big expenses (fridge, bed, bond on our appartment) and, for my 38% share of those, we've agreed to a repayment plan I can afford.
Living in New Zealand means direct credit/debit from one bank account to another is super easy even between different banks, so right now we have 3 different banks in use and it still works. I get benefits at both 'my' and 'our' banks because of my job/union.
The next step for us: saving together, for a couch in a couple months and a three-continent wedding in a couple years (ah, expat life).
I think the yours-mine-ours scenario is one that I'd personally choose when I get married. That approach includes the team aspect and the independence aspect.
Whew, is this defensive!
Hoe about the most obvious and compelling reason to consolidate? SIMPLICITY. With just a couple joint accounts, we can both manage it if we get hit by a bus or (more likely) if we encounter bank stupidity.
After I got burned on some stupid overdrafts, I realized I just didn't have the time or energy to keep up with six tiny accounts and seven credit cards. If you get more busy, I'm sure you'll feel the same way.
I don't really understand this separate squirreling away Jezebella suggests, maybe she married Jon Gosselin. Besides, your 401K and so on are all individual accounts by definition. They can't be joint.
Thanks for a really insightful post--I was having this conversation recently, in a very hypothetical way, and am torn on the issue. I *like* having my own money, but I also like for things to not be complicated; it's good to see so many people taking a responsible look at their finances and finding out yours-mine-ours can actually work. I'm sure Another Reader didn't feel particularly romantic doing the math on their incomes, but finances aren't the place for romance and symbolism...
(Also, you're "I wanted to save something for the wedding night" comment made me legitimately laugh out loud. Who knew finances could be funny?)
I think the third path you chose is the best way to manage couple finances. Each parties should have their own money and parties should deposite a certain percentage (the party making more should deposit more) into a joint account for common expenses. Another rational way is to split up the expenses or even take turns paying for things so that you can your seperate financial identities but you are also "supporting" each other.
You know, DogAteMyFinances, that wasn't a very constructive or nice remark. I'm sure Kate Gosselin had no idea Jon was going to turn into a douchebag and clear out their joint account. In fact, I'm sure 99.9% of brides think their grooms are perfection and their marriages golden, but divorce statistics tell the truth: lots and lots of people get divorced, and you never see it coming on your wedding day.
Because women take a financial hit if they have children, because women earn 78% of what men earn, because of that glass ceiling, because we pay more for health insurance, etc., etc., etc., we have to protect ourselves financially if at all possible. Maybe you will be one of the lucky ones, but poverty statistics tell the truth: most people in poverty are women and children, and far more retired women than retired men live in poverty. Furthermore, it's my understanding that all assets - including pensions and retirement accounts - can fall under the community property designation in some states.
Your smugness is unpleasant, my dear.
We take the yours-mine-ours approach to our accounts. We have one joint checking paying bills that we each contribute to from our paychecks. Before he was laid off we kept a decent cushion in there that would allow for sudden appliance purchases. Now that he's been unemployed 6 months I have let the cushion drop significantly because he's not paying in as much but there is plenty to cover our bills and food.
Then we each have our own checking and savings (I have several savings accounts) which allows us to spend or not spend as we please. I kind of love that if I go to a fiber festival and spend a couple hundred on yarn I know that it won't affect our ability to pay the bills.
I really like Haley's idea of formally having joint accounts but treating them as separate accounts most of the time. My partner and I would like joint accounts in theory, but it's hard to implement with checking accounts that are often nearly empty. We have days when it could cause an overdraft if we accidentally both bought groceries at the same time.
In my first marriage, we did everything joint. Neither one of us had a single penny that didn't have both of our names on it - and I will never do that again. It was an absolute nightmare. We were young and weren't making all that much money and it was so easy to overdraft if there was $20 left in the checking account and we both decided to go out for lunch that day independent of the other.
We also weren't nearly as aligned as we thought at first - I wanted to have a savings account and pay all the bills, but he was much less responsible. As soon as he discovered $100 in the joint savings account, he'd withdraw it and go on a shopping spree, then later say to me, "Did you know there was $100 in the savings account? Look what I bought with it!"
When things started going downhill, I went to our bank and opened my own checking account in my name only, but the bank didn't have anyway of keeping my personal account and our joint account separate. He could get my balance over the phone, could use his ATM card to make withdrawals from my account, and could even walk into a branch and make withdrawals from a teller! It was as though the bank didn't understand the difference between a joint and single account.
Always, always, always have your own savings account with enough money to pay your expenses for at least three months, six months is better. It's not because you distrust your partner, but because you care for yourself. Anything can happen and you need to be able to take care of yourself at a moment's notice.
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