When I moved away for college, one of the things I missed the most was easy access to my mom's Kitchenaid mixer. The women on both sides of my family, for generations back, were fabulous bakers and I had grown up helping my mom make cookies and cakes in her stand mixer. So when my mom asked me what I wanted for Christmas that year I told her that truthfully, what I wanted most was my very own Kitchenaid.
"That's a wedding present," she told me. "I'll give you one of those when you get married."
Which was kind of a ridiculous answer. I mean, Kitchenaids are expensive, and I knew that, so it's not like I was feeling entitled to receive one for Christmas. But her idea that the appropriate time to acquire a Kitchenaid (and, apparently, any other well-made, high ticket kitchen item) was to wait until you got married and then to register for it... Well, let's just say that seemed somewhat odd. I wanted that mixer now, not at some nebulous date in the future. I wasn't even dating anyone at the time. Was I really not supposed to have anything that didn't come from Target or Goodwill in my kitchen until then? And let me tell you, my mom would have been pissed if I'd gotten married at 18 just so I could have someone else buy me a kitchen appliance. And I told her so, and she laughed. And she didn't buy me a Kitchenaid for Christmas. (My teasing must have made some difference. Eventually, years later, that was my parents' very thoughtful law school graduation gift to me even though I was very single at the time. And I have used it for innumerable awesomenesses since, my spinsterhood notwithstanding.)
Anyway, my lust for a Kitchenaid was my first real familiarity with the institution of wedding registries. I like puttering in the kitchen, so every time I would fall in love with a kitchen-related toy that I really couldn't justify spending the money on, I would think, "man, I can't wait until I get married, I am totally putting this on my registry." It was like the wish list I never had to save up for. I have about three hypothetical kitchens worth of All-Clad, Le Creuset, matchy-matchy snack plates, Vitamixes, cast iron teapots, all waiting to go on my hypothetical wedding registry. I would privately critique my friends' registries when I was out buying them wedding presents. I would stalk around kitchen stores, muttering to myself, "Clearly they haven't read Alton Brown. Don't they know ceramic is an slow heat conductor and this Le Cruest ceramic bakeware will only break their hearts?" I knew I wouldn't make any such rookie mistakes.
I am getting married in four months and I can't bring myself to register for any of it. Meg, over at A Practical Wedding, refers to it as Registry Ennui, which is not a bad descriptor at all, though sometimes I feel a little closer to "Registry Angst."
From what I see, a lot of people who are relectant to register think they have everything they need already. They're combining two households, so they already have everything they need, want, or have space for. That's not us.
It's not that I don't want any kitchenware. I am using most of the same pots and pans I got as an open item at a big box store when I was 20. The saucepan is so discolored it looks powdercoated, and several of the others weren't that hot to begin with. My cheap springform pan has rusted, so cheesecakes and flourless chocolate cakes are no longer in my repertoire. I have mixing bowls, but not the ones I want (stainless steel with a pourable spout--do people even make these anymore? Are people actually relying on double boilers for melting chocoloate?). Several useful but not strictly essential measuring spoons and cups have vanished. Shiner's blender, which replaced in my kitchen the blender my mom received off her wedding registry in the 70's, only works on things that are already pretty liquid. So while this is not a major quality of life issue--obviously, I can and do feed myself in spite of these daunting obstacles--these are things I'd like to have, that would make my life easier or cheerier in some way, and that are normally the type of thing one could expect to find on a wedding registry.
No, my issue is not that there aren't traditional registry items I could legitimately use and truly enjoy. It's that a bunch of our friends are broke, or at least are seriously budget. In fact, the ones who live farthest away, whose expenses would be the greatest if they were to travel to attend our wedding, are also for the most part our guests with the lowest incomes and the highest costs of living. I don't know if some of them will be able to make it to the wedding at all given the expense, which bums me out but which is totally understandable. After all, things are looking kind of scary these days. But I know that a lot of people, consciously or unconsciously, look to the registry list to tell them what they are expected to spend to "cover their plate" as a guest. Even when you're close friends with the people getting married. Maybe even especially if you're close friends with the people getting married. I don't want my friends, who I am already asking to put down a chunk of change to get themselves across the country to our wedding, to think they have to drop another $120 on a saucier to make me feel sufficiently loved as an individual. I want them to come. A lot. I don't care if they bring us anything. So I just don't want to start down that road.
Even if all our friends were wealthy, I don't know if I'd feel much different. Now that I am in the position of doing the asking rather than the buying, it seems kind of crass. I think this is mostly my personal issue. I know the pro-registry people have a very good point when they say that most people will buy you something because they want to. I know I always did. I must have escaped this phenomenon I've heard described of being invited to the wedding of people you barely know in order to pad their haul. And I also believe that most people enjoy shopping from the registry, secure in the knowledge that whatever they buy is something the recipients actually want. Unless I know someone extremely well, I prefer to shop with an eye to the registry for this very reason. But still I have been feeling awkward about asking people to buy me this specific thing from this specific place with the knowledge that it will cost this specific number of dollars.
The other thing nagging at me is that we are really fortunate in our job situations and our lives that we have the means to buy this stuff if we really want to. Not all at once, but over the course of a few months or a year we could buy it all if we decided to allocate our money in that way. And the fact that we haven't done so maybe means that it's not all that important to us.
Bascially, I want other people to register so that it is convenient for me, but I don't want to register myself because I don't want to be, or feel, greedy. It's kind of messed up. I don't have this issue when people ask me what I want for Christmas or my birthday. Probably because I'm not also asking people to spend a ton of money traveling to a city not of their choosing at a time not of their choosing before they can give it to me.
We are splitting the difference, not registering in a traditional way but putting together a list of items, ideas, and charities at the Center for the New American Dream's Alternative Gift Registry. And we're not putting very many things on there. There will be far fewer items than guests. The hope is that the few material items on there will spark people's imaginations if they want to shop for us, the charities can be donated to over and over again, and the non-purchasable things (for example, I'm trying to figure out how to word a request for a letter containing advice to a newly married couple) can be done by anyone, no matter what their budget.
There's a possibility that Shiner's mom will host a small party for us later in the spring or summer. Our wedding will be pretty small, so this will give her the opportunity to celebrate marrying off her oldest child with all her friends and coworkers. Those people won't know us at all, so the case for the traditional registry is somewhat stronger there. So we may not be out of the woods yet.
What do you think? Buyers of wedding presents? Receivers of wedding presents? Those who have been both? Did you feel weird about the registry, and how did you manage any weirdness that came up?
10.23.2008
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Having a charity component is very nice. I believe it's more common these days, although I have never had the opportunity to use one. It's good to have a mix, so you great granny doesn't freak out because she can't buy you salad tongs and thus the marriage is not actually legal.
I am a cheapskate (and legitmately poor, especially compared to some friends) and I never feel compelled to "cover my plate." It's the couples' (or whoever the host is) choice to have a wedding that costs $X per head, and if that's more than what I can afford, I don't feel obliged to try to match it. I usually buy something around the $75 mark, which is what I can afford.
One thing that sort of bugs me about modern registries is that a lot of the stuff is so disposable. Hardly anyone registers for fine china or silver any more. Granted, I don't think a lot of my friends are the swank-dinner-party-hosting types, but I always thought it was cool to hear my mom talk about how So and So gave her the gravy boat and my sister's godmother gave her the platter we used at Thanksgiving. I hope to God my friend Julie is not regaling her kids with stories about the Target bath mat and shower curtain I bought her in 20 years.
I did the registry thing a few weeks ago, and it involved much angst. I too, felt guilty - sure, my ikea saucepans were $15 for three, and are on their way out after three years (still damn good value that!), but do I really need to up it to the Scanpan ones which cost $150 each??
In the end, I decided that I would put the expensive things on the list - because they would last. Because my Mum is still, thirty years later, using the mixing bowls and saucepans she was given for her wedding.
I decided that although it made me feel uncertain, I never felt that way about BUYING off the registry, and I never felt obliged to 'cover my plate' - I spend in accordance with my budget, and the closeness I feel to the person who's wedding it is. Also, no one is obliged to go with the list - several times I've bought something else when I've seen something perfect that I know they'd love, but hadn't thought of.
In sum - register for the things you really want. Even if they are stupidly expensive. Its the only time in your life people will justify spending large sums on housewares for you, and you'll finally get the beautiful bakeware you've always wanted! :)
My sister is getting married in a few months, but (as is becoming more and more common) she and her fiance have been living together for years and already have most of what they need or want for their household. So instead they're doing what a friend of theirs did--have a registry for their honeymoon! Friends and family will be able to buy them nights in a hotel, pay for dinner for them, etc. I really like that idea, and plan to use it myself if I ever marry again.
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I just got married a couple weeks ago, and my husband and I debated for awhile about whether to register and where. I had heard from some of my friends who got married and not registered that they ended up with a lot of not-useful gifts, and the thought of getting stuff that we wouldn't use made us feel worse than the thought of asking for specific things, so we ultimately decided to register...but almost everything on our list was under $100. We were of the same mindset as you...our friends are young, and not wealthy, and we just wanted them to make it to the wedding. So, we registered for a lot of $20-$40 gifts. Well, it turns out that people apparently spend way more than that on wedding gifts. We actually didn't end up getting much stuff off our registry. Most people gave us money. And of the gifts we did receive, I'd say at least a third were not from our registry. Also, almost all of the more expensive (ie over $100) gifts from our registry were bought for us, whereas not many of the less expensive ones were. So...I guess my point is that people will probably be really generous with your wedding gifts even if you don't ask them to be, so you might as well register for the stuff you really want. But I would also suggest putting some less expensive stuff on there to give the people who don't have much money a way to get you something they know you'll like without having to break the bank.
My view of the registry is a general sense of what the couple needs... oh, they registered for a metal colander so they must need one. I don't feel compelled to buy the exact one they asked for if it's out of my price range. If they hate the one I get they can return it. But having no list, I'd have no clue what to get at all.
Gift cards, charity, portions of the honeymoon - all good ideas and people can chip in whatever they are comfortable with and is within their budget.
Having a few items in the under $50 range for money strapped friends is always a good idea -- board games, wine glasses, things for entertaining said friends, etc.
This was so hard for me when we got married. Like you, I rely on other people's registries. And I really enjoy browsing them because I feel like it gives me a sneak preview into the home my friends are going to create together. But I DID NOT want to register when I got married. It was my second wedding (I was very briefly married in my early 20s), but my husband's first. Finally my best friend twisted my arm until I did it. We picked gifts that ranged from $10-$100.
For us I finally resolved it by renting a few cabins (we got married in the mountains) near where the ceremony was planned. Each had multiple bedrooms and I opened them up to friends who were short on cash. Anyone who wanted privacy could rent their own cabin or get a hotel room, but I felt better about my cash-strapped friends after I gave them a place to stay. And then had more fun than any other guests, I think, because those cabins were so festive.
As someone who has no plans to get married anytime soon but just bought a house and likes to have dinner parties, I've often joked that I need to get married so I can get all the cool kitchen stuff I want but would never buy for myself. But those jokes are always tinged with a bit of annoyance too because why shouldn't I get all the goodies just because I'm single? You know that Sex in the City episode where Carrie gets all bent over how much she's spent on her coupled, parent friends and she registers for the Manolos? I was one of those who totally stood up and cheered at that.
I love the charity option. In general, the only time I buy stuff off a registry is when I don't know the bride and groom well enough to think of anything more personal to get them but in that case, I'd much rather make a donation to charity in the couple's name than get them one more place setting. It's not so much about how much I can afford as the idea that I'm "obligated" to be buying them anything at all.
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Re: The KitchenAid mixer.
My mom has pulled a similar thing... I've been drooling over one for ages, and while I was staring at one for sale at $200 instead of the regular $300 at a going out of business sale, my mom quipped with "You need to get married, then people can give you stuff like that."
I'm 20.
I suppose the idea that I could just save up and one day buy my own mixer never crossed her mind.
Sigh.
a) i LOVE my kitchenaid and i got it for xmas/channukah when i was 14 and got into baking. 15 years later, it's going strong and i love it just as much.
b) i'm getting married, soon, too, and we're also adults who have everything we need and people with lower-income friends. we're going for the honeymoon/charity registry - no stuff at all. hopefully people will think it's rad and not get upset - my mom seems to feel like it might make people angry? not sure how that works...
My husband and I did something like this: we listed four of our favorite charities and asked that people make donations in our name. We ended up getting a lot of art, which we didn't need, but which we love. We've got ceramic platters made by uncles twice removed and photos of beautiful views that photographer friends took.
(My mom got me a kitchenaid for Mothers Day the year I graduated from college.)
LDub, some people don't like honeymoon registries because you're basically giving cash instead of a tangible gift, and it's considered tacky. (In some cultures, giving money is totally fine.)
And while pretty much all modern wedding spending has a whiff of consumerism about it, traditional wedding gifts are about making sure the newlyweds have the "necessities" for their home. So for some people it seems weird/overly materialistic to buy a fleeting experience (like a dinner or a massage or what have you) than it does to buy a stewpot. I think there's some deep-rooted symbolism going on too. It's right and prudent to stock up on the home and hearth for a lasting marriage; it's wrong and frivolous to focus on the honeymoon, and if you do you're not taking marriage seriously.
I'm not endorsing either point of view; I just think that's the conundrum your mom is getting at.
I used to be opposed to the registry, but now that I am a bit older, I have decided that it is very useful. That being said, when I get married next year, my partner and I will not have useless items on the registry. I think some people go a little crazy with the registry gun. We will stick with mostly kitchenware, sheets, and towels.
Also, we are going to do a wine registry because we LOVE wine.
I think that the registry is ok as long as you include a fairly wide range of price points. I just went to a wedding last week, and as a law student (broke!) I was glad to find that the couple had registered for more than 2 items under $50.
Another thing they did that I thought was a good idea was registered for multiples of low cost items that tend to wear out, like hand towels. Not nearly as glam as fancy kitchen appliances, but in 2 years when their towels are skanky they can just break out the new ones.
If you're looking for creative ideas, another friend of mine asked guests for beloved family recipes instead of gifts. Its a great way for guests to feel involved as well, since its a little more personal than just picking an item off a list.
I just got married and I had so much angst over this issue. I ended up registering for items after being pressured by friends. I wrote a note at the top of the online registry page saying something to the effect that gifts weren't expected but if they really wanted to - we like handmade gifts as well, or recipes.
We were moving back to the U.S. from overseas and really were starting from scratch. I didn't register for expensive items and split up my registry between three places (target, macy's and 10,000 villages). Most family members gave me money because they said my registry was too modest. Others bought off the registry, which was fine also. Generally, most people thanked me for my registry and said it made everything easier for them.
Congrats again and good luck!
We had our wedding last Saturday and let me tell you, the registry was a great source of angst. When I traveled halfway across the country to go to grad school a few years ago, a few friends were getting married with very traditional registries and it made me a bit haughty and wondered why they were getting crap just because they were making it legal, while I was going off to attempt to gain skills to make the world a better place all on my own in a strange state and no one was giving me anything.
A few years later and here I was uttering the words, "honey, we have to make the most important decision of the wedding tomorrow...what color kitchenaid we want to register for."
We ended up finding a middle ground, because what we did have was total crap from cheap stores or second hand, or from my cook of a sister who had decided to go to grad school even farther away and we babysat her kitchen gadgets while she was gone (including her Kitchenaid).
So, yes, we need(ed) stuff, have poor but generous friends, very financially comfortable family friends, and felt bad about asking any of them for stuff. We registered through the I Do Foundation so 5% of everything bought online went to our charity of choice. We also did not mention the registry in the invitation, or have a wedding website, but relied on good old fashioned word of mouth. When my friends who traveled from far and wide asked, I said it as by no means necessary that they get us anything - and many actually believed me.
A week after the wedding, our registry is far from complete, but we are pretty well stocked in small appliances, and not surprisingly the first gift we received was our Kitchenaid as a group gift from my department.
I can relate to your angst. I admit to using my friends' registries, either as inspiration or to purchase an item on the list, but I hate the idea for myself. Part of the reason is that I know how many of those kitchen supplies don't get used. My mom is a veteran garage sale customer and she's always picking up new or almost new stuff that people end up selling because they don't use it. (Sadly, she only found a kitchen aid mixer once, but didn't buy it so I'm still waiting) I've gotten most of my kitchen supplies this way. (I've picked up some more from friends who registered for something, receieved it and then never used it.) My boyfriend has even more kitchen stuff than I do, so if we ever get married we are going to have to not register for anything other than the kitchen aid mixer, AND have a massive garage sale for all the duplicates.
At the same time I really hate the idea of asking people to contribute to a honeymoon fund/house downpayment/etc. The charity idea is a good one.
I just got married, and I did finally break down and make a registry. We received mostly money, but there were a few gifts that I really wanted, and put the word out about them. For what it's worth, some people love registries and will buy your gift that way... other people hate registries and will get you whatever they want regardless... and yet other people will give you money, since that's what most newlyweds need.
The great thing about our registry was being able to return everything we didn't think we would use in exchange for the bigger-ticket items that we love and use.
In the end, make a registry for those people who think they're great, and other people will do their own thing regardless.
We're thinking about the Alternative Gift Registry too, especially because it's flexible enough for us to create a registry list that matches our ideals. It will allow us to link in the traditional items my grandparents and his (very traditional) family will want to see (one fight down...). We'll also have some etsy art and items to spark the imagination. But most importantly, it will also allow us to "register" for DIY help with the wedding (pie makers, "florists", videography, transportation, etc) to make it clear that the best present we can expect from friends and family is their time. I'm also thinking of including an entry called "travel and hotel" - ie, if you traveled to share the day with us, that's more than enough. Finances are a huge question and we really want this to be as easy as possible for folks who can attend.
Luckily, neither I nor any of my mid-twenties friends have married yet, so I've limited experience dealing with registries. I've always hated the practice, though: I hate being steered to a particular store, and I hate being told specific products I should buy; it replaces the option for gift-giving creativity with crass materialism. Often, looking at what some kid in his mid-twenties is asking for, I get the feeling they don't actually give a fuck what kind of china they have and their parents filled out the registry for them. So why spend $200 on a set of it?
Of course, I understand that sometimes, you just want to give somebody a present they need and be done with it. And of course, with a registry, there is no danger of the couple receiving a few of the same item.
But I think I've found a solution. Not that I anticipate getting hitched in the next few years, but after agonizing over what to get my boyfriend's brother and his fiancee, I decided they should have junked their multiple registries for this: A brief wiki gift list on the wedding's Web site. If the couple wants a KitchenAid, it can just list the specs (and possibly links to the item at certain stores). A guest who wants to buy it can hunt around at holiday sales or Ebay if he wants, and once he's got the thing, he can edit the wiki page and cross out the item on the list so nobody else gets it. Or if the couple wants some art, or some cookbooks, or a a comforter and trusts their closest friends to know their tastes well enough to pick something they'd like, they can just list that.
Also, a list of invited guests could be posted on the site: That way every invitee could check the list and split the cost of some gift with somebody else he knows who's attending.
Actually, I just went to the alternative registry site you linked. Looks like it might be similar.
i'm so not a fan of the pay-for-my-honeymoon registry because something about it just reeks of tackiness. and i totally understand not wanting to impose on your financially strapped friends. i would suggest either calling your friends or detailing to them on your wedding invitation that the only gift you would like to receive is the pleasure of their company.
Late in the game here, but just have to comment.
I have a pretty strict $50 limit to wedding gift purchases. The only one I've gone over for is my brother's wedding this past September. We don't live near any of our childhood/school friends or family, so attending a wedding costs us between one and two thousand dollars. I used to be able to keep the cost down by having only one of us attend the wedding, and stay with friends in the host city, but we now have a family of 4. And the children are too young to be left. The end result is we go to fewer weddings. Anyway, once I've spent that much just to get there and feed myself for the weekend, I really can't afford to drop $200 on some saucepan. If I really love the person, and know they will appreciate it, I'll make them a quilt or knit them something beautiful. The monetary cost is still low enough, but the meaning is much more.
My husband and I got married absurdly early - I was 22 and he was 26. Most of our friends were still in college or grad school (my husband was in grad school, making 12,000 a year). Our registry was mostly $10-50 stuff. Much of which I still use every day, eight years later.
FWIW, my dad bought me a Kitchenaid for Christmas the year I graduated from college. Best gift I ever got, and still use it all the time.
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